One-to-one with Swapnil Dhopade: Petroff, Chess Coaching, Team Events, and more!

He became India’s 40th Grandmaster in the year 2015. Very soon, he started working as a coach with ambitious Indian players and produced stunning results – his first student Raunak Sadhwani went on to become a Grandmaster at the tender age of 13! He trained other Indian talents too, particularly IM Sankalp Gupta and IM Harshit Raja. In 2018, he added yet another feather to his cap when he began working with the Indian Women’s team. And now in 2020, he is all set to release his first-ever book titled Playing the Petroff – A Bulletproof Repertoire with the renowned publisher Quality Chess!

In the following interview, GM Swapnil Dhopade talks to Shubham Kumthekar about his upcoming book, sharing behind-the-scenes stories while also reflecting on the Petroff Defence in general. He further speaks about his experiences with the Indian Women’s team and also narrates how the idea of Chess Pathshala, his chess academy, came to fruition. He rounds up this detailed interview by taking a rapid-fire, wherein he shares the name of a certain cricketer whom he idolizes. Keep reading to know more about one of India’s finest chess coaches!

GM Swapnil Dhopade – Player, Coach, and now an Author as well!
(Source: chesspathshala.in)

Shubham Kumthekar: How did the concept of the Petroff book come into being?

Swapnil Dhopade: I was a part of the Indian women’s team as a second at the 2018 Olympiad which was held in Georgia. The head coach of the team was Jacob Aagard, who was basically managing everything and was taking camps before the event. They had around three camps with Jacob before the Olympiad and I was invited as a second from the third camp onward. I was basically working on the openings with the team. I also accompanied the team to the Olympiad as an opening helper. Somehow, I felt that Jacob kind of liked the opening files which I created, and the team was also quite comfortable with the files. Overall, Jacob was satisfied and happy about the work that I did at the Olympiad.

Also, I have personally known Jacob for quite a while as I am one of his students. I attended camps at his home in Scotland. And after attending the camps, I immediately gave the best performance of my career when I finished joint third in the Isle of Man Open. It was a really nice experience, one that established a bond with Jacob. I also feel that he is fond of Indians. A lot of his students are Indians and he has a lot of connections in India. He likes working with Indian chess players a lot and he believes that we have a lot of potential. In this way, I already had some sort of personal connection with Jacob (before the Olympiad).

When you receive a prize from your coach and your friend!
GM Jacob Aagard awarding GM Swapnil Dhopade a prize at one of the Commonwealth Chess Championships.
(Source: chesspathshala.in)

One day, after finishing our work for the team at the Olympiad, we were discussing different issues and aspects of chess improvement, and it was just a casual discussion when I asked him how exactly was Quality Chess doing. Of course, we know that they have been publishing books regularly, and when I was a full-time player, I also referred to a lot of his books, especially the Grandmaster Repertoire series. His books have helped me a lot, particularly his Grandmaster Preparation books on Calculation, Positional Play, and Endgame Play. I was always quite fond of and liked the books published by Quality Chess. I casually asked him if there’s an opportunity for me to be a part of Quality Chess, and he was really happy when I asked about it. His immediate words were, “Yes, why not! It would be really great to have you on our team. It would be great if you could write a book for Quality Chess.” The initial idea that I had on my mind was about writing a book on Caro-Kann as I have been playing the opening since the start of my career. Also when I was working for the Indian women’s team, I was mainly working on Caro-Kann because I had good preparation in the opening. I suggested to Jacob that I could write a book on Caro-Kann. However, GM Lars Schandorff, who had written a volume on Caro-Kann in the Grandmaster Repertoire series before, was supposed to be doing so again. Considering a Caro-Kann book was already on the cards for Quality Chess, I, unfortunately, could not write a book on my favorite opening.

But then Jacob said that writing a book on Petroff would be a good idea because recently, there hadn’t really been a famous book on Petroff or a complete repertoire on Petroff from the black side, and it would be a good idea if I could do so. The Carlsen – Caruana World Championship Match 2018 also had a lot of Petroff games and they ignited a lot of interest in this opening. I agreed that it would be a great idea to write a book on the Petroff, but my only problem was that I had never played a game with the Petroff in my entire career! The subject was completely new to me. But what I had experienced at the Olympiad was that if somehow, I could get into the research mode, I could work on completely new opening variations and try to create a good file in as minimal time as possible. I realized that it could also be a good opportunity for me to learn something about the Petroff. I thought that if I invest some quality time and if I research correctly, it would be a nice idea to write on a subject which is completely new to me. So this is how we agreed on it and I started working on a Petroff repertoire.

GM Swapnil Dhopade’s upcoming book: Playing the Petroff – A Bulletproof Repertoire.
You can find the PDF Sample here.

What were the challenges in writing this book considering Petroff is not your main opening?

Indeed, there were a lot of challenges. If you write a book on an opening which you already know quite well, you would have already played hundreds and hundreds of games in that opening, making the task of writing easier. In my case, it was the Caro-Kann. So if I write something on the Caro-Kann, it would be very easy for me because of the experience I have with this opening. In that case, we already know which lines are critical and which lines we should recommend to the readers. But if you write on something completely new, you have to refer to a lot of books on the subject, do a lot of research, and also play over a lot of games and lines which are trending right now. We have to start researching from scratch, and that is a little tough as well as time-consuming.

There was another challenge. In many positions in the Petroff, the engines show an evaluation of 0.00 (chuckles). In an opening like the Sicilian, the engine may immediately point out some really bad moves as the position is so dynamic in nature. But in the Petroff, the positions are usually kind of equal and very solid after the opening. With that in mind, it was a bit of a challenge to always try and understand what the engine was saying and then suggest moves that would be comfortable to the readers. We basically have to think from a human point-of-view, from a practical point of view. Having said that, it was also quite interesting and a nice learning experience for me.

That brings me to a related question. Were there any books that you particularly found interesting while you were writing this book?

I did try to look for some books (on the Petroff), but I felt that the depth in those books wasn’t particularly great. As such, I had a brief look at some of the books but I felt that it was better to start from scratch and then take it from there. I thought that if I start from scratch, check the old games, check how Petroff developed and how its theory evolved, I will learn a lot more in the process. So practically, I didn’t put a lot of emphasis on the existing books on the Petroff and attached more importance to starting anew.

Let’s say someone is looking to learn the Petroff. In that case, who do you think are the model players to check out?

Right now I think Fabiano Caruana is the best Petroff player around, but there are also a lot of Chinese players like Yu Yangyi and Wei Yi who play the opening. Even Wang Hao plays the Petroff and he has beaten none other than Vishy Anand with it. These Chinese players have been playing Petroff quite regularly and quite successfully. They are the players to be followed alongside Caruana. Of course, Caruana plays all the openings well. He has great preparation in each and every opening, but he particularly plays Petroff quite well. And going into his World Championship match against Carlsen, Petroff was sort of the main weapon for him. To sum it up, the model Petroff players are Fabiano Caruana, Yu Yangyi, Wang Hao, and Wei Yi.

Fabiano Caruana held Magnus Carlsen to draws
in Games 6 and 11 of the 2018 World Chess Championship
match by using the Petroff Defence.

This reminds me of something. I was watching the broadcast of a recent online event, I forget which one exactly. At some point, one of the commentators mentioned that the way the Chinese players play the Petroff is quite different. They are not looking for some sort of equality but they are looking more for a fight. What do you think about this?

To begin with, you tend to get a very solid position in the Petroff if you know what you are doing. But there are some really interesting and fighting lines as well from the black side. There’s this mainline where White goes for long castle, and one of the challenging lines, if you want to have a real fight as black, is to castle short. So basically, the position that comes out of that variation features opposite side castling and we know that when people castle on the opposite sides, there’s always a fight. There’s always some attack and counter-attack going on. So, there are some lines which are really challenging and fighting and then there are other lines which just peter out to a draw or equality. It is some sort of a mix.

What was your approach to writing this book and who’s the target audience?

First, I myself tried to understand the opening as deeply as possible and tried to figure out which variations are challenging and what’s exactly trending. Then I picked up the lines which I felt will be relatively easier for the audience to learn, to follow, and to remember as well. Because I may give a thousand lines, but if the readers are unable to remember them comfortably, then it is basically of no use. Keeping that in mind, I tried to include lines where the reader will be able to remember stuff quite easily. But of course, there are some lines that contain a lot of dynamism. The moves are so concrete that if you forget a move, the position could become really messy. In such situations, I tried to put a lot of comments explaining the important moves that are somewhat difficult to remember and those that don’t come easily to our intuition. I tried to highlight the ideas as deeply as possible with the correct comments. If you remember the comments, then the chances of remembering the moves are also quite high. My main focus was on suggesting some good solid lines, but even in the lines which are a bit challenging and dynamic in nature, I added a lot of comments so that the readers could remember them for a long time.

Regarding the target audience, I feel it is quite broad. The reason is that I start explaining the variations, the ideas, and the plans right from the beginning of the variations. At the same time, there are also a lot of novelties in the book which can be useful even for Grandmasters. Therefore, I believe the book can help a wide range of players.

This is your first ever book, right? 

Yes, this is my first book. Before this book, I had only written two articles for Modern Chess on Prophylaxis. But in the book format, this is definitely my first one.

Would we see you writing more books? If yes, which topics do you think would you like to write on?

Well, I have a lot of topics to write on! There are so many topics in the middle game, there are so many psychological aspects to chess. For example, I have written articles on my own blog on pattern recognition and time management which were later republished on Chessbase India.

Alongside psychological aspects, I could write about improvement and other practical stuff. I could also write on positional chess as I collect a lot of instructive examples on different topics on a daily basis. These are of course used in training with my students, but these examples can also find their way into a book. Apart from writing books, I also have many other plans like making video courses for my website. That’s just one of the many other things on my agenda. Let’s see! 

When Sam Shankland released his first book, we had interviewed him and he had mentioned that he would like to write a second book. And later, he indeed ended up writing a second volume. I hope that you get to write your second book as you have so much to share!

Indeed, I am looking forward to it!

Moving on to something different. A few weeks back, you posted a certain picture on Instagram. You had James Clear’s bestselling book Atomic Habits next to you and we had exchanged a few comments on that picture. GM Stany had also recommended it in one of his articles for Quality Chess, and that’s how I personally ended up picking the book. That brings me to the next question: Which non-chess books do you think can chess players use for their own benefit? And in what way?

Swapnil before a late-night training session.
Notice the book next to him!
(From Swapnil Dhopade’s Instagram)

Well, there are a lot of books on psychology and habits. For example, the Atomic Habits book is really nice. There are a lot of self-help books that we can relate to chess regarding how one should work, how one can stay motivated, etc. But it’s important to consider how much you are able to apply from those books. It’s very exciting to order a book or to download a book on Amazon Kindle, but it’s also extremely important to be able to use all the things that you learned in the book and implement them for your own benefit. So I think instead of reading a lot of books, you can just pick one book that you like, for example, Atomic Habits, and then try to implement the things given therein and apply those to your day to day life – how one can use the lessons from the book in their chess schedule, how one can try to cultivate new habits which will help one in their chess career and training, and so on. So to begin with, I think the emphasis should be more on implementation than on ordering new books and just reading them. Because if you don’t really put all the things that you learn into action, they become wasteful. 

Now let’s talk about Atomic Habits. One thing I learned from the book is that our phones are a distraction of sorts. As such, many times when working on chess, I try to keep my phone elsewhere, hopefully not in the same room or at least with the internet switched off. Of course, this is mentioned in a lot of books and a lot of articles as it helps us to reach our peak productivity by focussing as much as possible. But apart from this, the author James Clear also says that habits are usually connected to one another. For example, if you go to your room, you may end up checking your phone. Or if you’re standing in a queue and you don’t have anything to do, you automatically reach for your phone and you start checking the notifications. Regarding this, the author suggests in the book that you should try to figure out unproductive habits that you want to change, and those that are happening subconsciously. For example, someone may be addicted to playing games or just surfing online without any conscious effort. In that case, you may open your laptop for chess but instead of working on chess, you may end up surfing on the web for quite some time. In such cases, you can just switch off your Wi-Fi before opening the laptop and then work on chess.

Also, there are some players who repeatedly tend to get up from the board, and that may end up affecting their concentration when a critical moment arrives in the game. But if they sit for more time at the board and just relax, it is quite possible that they will be able to concentrate more deeply at the critical moments.

Basically, one thing leads to the other. Our habits are somehow always connected, and it is very important for us to figure out how we end up doing unproductive activities or things that we don’t really want to. This way, we can work on the habits that hinder us in our chess progress.

Let us talk about your experiences as a trainer. You worked with the Indian women’s team at the 2019 World Women’s Team Championship and earlier at the 2018 Batumi Olympiad. What was your experience like?

During the Batumi Olympiad, my job was mainly concerned with opening preparation. I had to work on the variations that players were going to play the next day and to try and make the opening files as clean as possible. A file shouldn’t be too messy, otherwise, the player may get confused. I used to add comments at important moments so that the player could understand and grasp the matter as quickly as possible and she could play it well in her game. In the process, I learned a lot about how to handle engines and which engines were stronger. But then I went to the World Women’s Team Championship, where I was the head coach of the team. Here, I learned a lot about the psychological aspects – how to exactly motivate the players, how to keep them in the best shape, how to create an environment where they could give their best in the games, what should be the schedule, etc. Summing it up, I learned different things at these two events – at the Olympiad, it was mainly about opening preparation, and at World Teams, it was mainly about the psychological part.

Swapnil with the Indian Team at the World Women’s Team Championship 2019.
(Source: chesspathshala.in)

When you worked at these events, what did you make of certain teams that keep winning the titles time and again? For example, you have the Chinese and Georgian teams in women’s events. What do you think is special about such teams? 

I feel that their training setup is really interesting, especially in the case of the Chinese teams. They have a dedicated place to train for the national team, a dedicated place where the top players in the country can assemble and train before a tournament. Such a dedicated setup is very essential in my opinion. Whenever there is some tournament coming up and the players want to train intensively and stay completely focused, then it’s better to have a setup like this on a national level. That could prove to be really great. 

The Indian team has a lot of potential and with proper training, even we can finish in the top three places or become champions. So, potential-wise, I don’t think there is any difference but it’s more about how you train. Also, I feel that the Chinese players mainly train in groups. This is something that the Indian players need to cultivate. I always tell my students to work in groups by making a group of three or four players of the same strength, for example, and then work on a particular topic or a particular variation. This is something, that I feel, is absent in the Indian chess circles. Now, the top players are moving towards working together, of course. But I think this that needs to be encouraged even more along with having a dedicated center for the top players to work regularly. Such things are quite important, and I feel this is what makes the Chinese team so strong. 

Let us talk about your chess academy – Chess Pathshala. How did this project come into being and what are the services that you offer as a trainer?

For the past four years or so, I have been mainly teaching one-on-one. I try to take on board only selected students. Of course, it also depends on how much time I have on my hand. My first student was Raunak Sadhwani, who went on to become a Grandmaster very quickly. And when your first student becomes a GM so quickly, it of course encourages you to keep on coaching and help students achieve their title. As such, I have worked with a lot of students over the past four years. But then, I also used to get a lot of emails from players, let’s say in the range of 1000 to 2000. I did not have much time remaining for these players and I was unable to train them. It was practically impossible to work with each and every player who wanted guidance from me. That is how I arrived at this thought that maybe, I should create a team of coaches, I should train these coaches, I should explain to them how exactly they should go about teaching students, and that I should also create material for the coaching sessions. I feel there are two really important things when it comes to coaching. One thing is the coach himself, of course, and the second thing is the material that he uses to teach the students. If the material is not so good then the benefit may not be so great. Hence, I selected a few coaches and I trained them. I explained to them how exactly to teach different aspects of chess – positional, endgame, etc and also psychological aspects like how to deal with the students, how to motivate them, etc. I also personally made the material that the coaches will use to teach the students in the online sessions. That way, the two most important things in coaching were taken care of. And by training this team of coaches, I basically aimed at helping the players below the 2000 level, whom I cannot personally attend. This was the main reason behind founding the Chess Pathshaala Online Academy. But then, I have also started expanding offline. For example, I have established an academy in Amravati, my home city, and also in two cities nearby namely Yavatmal and Vani. The latter is a very small rural place. 

GM Raunak Sadhwani’s testimonial from the Chess Pathshala website.

What are your future plans going ahead? Would you be playing more, would you be more into coaching, do you plan to do some other things in chess…

I am almost gravitating towards full-time coaching as I enjoy it a lot. When I started coaching, I used to do it in a 50-50 manner. I used to focus on my own practice but I also used to train Raunak. But then, Raunak started doing quite well and he became a GM. On a personal level, I enjoyed the process of training him. I felt that coaching is something I really enjoy and I love helping students achieve their dreams. As a result, I am more into full-time coaching right now. Of course, I will be playing tournaments when I feel like playing and when I feel that I am a bit rusty. But the focus will definitely be on full-time coaching.

A lot of my focus is also on creating online video courses and also on developing my offline academy, on training my students in Amravati. But for the moment, the latter has taken a backseat due to the Corona situation. However, I am working on the online aspects and my video courses will be released very soon on my website. I will be making courses on different subjects, for instance on Openings, where my first course will be on the Caro-Kann! (chuckles) Of course, other important topics like Endgames, Tactics, Positional Play, etc will also be covered.

What is your message to chess improvers?

I feel a lot of budding talents right now are always trying to keep two options in their career. For instance, if chess fails, then they plan to switch to academics or something else in their life. In this respect, I feel it’s really important that they focus all their energy on one thing for a few years rather than having two options. Because when you have two options open, there is a high probability that you will switch on to something else. But if you deeply believe that you enjoy chess, then make sure that you work 100 percent on it. That will increase your probability of making a successful career in chess.

Blitzkrieg

If you were not a chess player, then what would you be?

Maybe a saint! I read a lot of spiritual books and I am really drawn to spirituality.

One chess book and one non-chess book that you recommend….

Atomic Habits in the non-chess category. For chess, I would say (pauses to think) Grandmaster Preparation – Calculation by Jacob Aagard.

Half an hour before a game you are generally found doing…

Meditating.

Who is your non-chess role model?

I have a lot of sports heroes. But if I had to go with one, I would go with MS Dhoni. There are a lot of qualities in him which I really admire but on the top of the list is the way he handles situations calmly.

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Agadmator: “Be consistent and make content that you enjoy yourself!”

The man himself Antonio Radic, popularly known as Agadmator!
(Source: Agadmator’s Instagram)

He is the most followed Chess YouTuber around. He is a household name in the chess world and has published more than 2000 videos so far. But most importantly, he has kindled a love for chess in the hearts of the people by sharing his own love for the game and taking his viewers over an amazing number of exciting chess games. He is none other than Antonio Radic, popularly known as Agadmator!

In the interview that follows, Agadmator reveals the origins of his channel and underlines his approach to it. Along the way, he also guides budding YouTubers on how to make the best of their own YouTube channel. To conclude, Agadmator talks about fan encounters and discusses his plans going forward, not just for his channel but also on a personal level. Keep reading to know more about the man who revolutionized Chess on YouTube!

Shubham Kumthekar: How did you get acquainted with chess and how did your Youtube channel come into being?

Antonio Radic: My grandfather Anto Krnjic was a FIDE Master. He taught me chess when I was four or maybe five years old. But then, I got really bored with it and I didn’t play until I was about 16. At some point, I just started playing local guys in pubs and bars and in school, and I really took up chess for around a year before I went to college. I took all the books that my grandfather had and went through them. I studied some openings, some endgames, some general principles. And then, I stopped learning about chess for a very long time. I still enjoyed playing it but it wasn’t until maybe 2016 that I really started uploading videos on my channel. Well, everything just happened from that point on!

In the chess world, ratings and titles are heavily valued. What challenges did you face in this respect when you were building up your channel?

When people first started watching my channel, some of them – but not all – were like, “I am not going to watch this guy… he is rated like 1900.” So, it would make more sense for them to watch videos from someone who was higher rated. But it didn’t bother me all that much and other than this, I did not really face any other challenges.

When you started making videos, did you have a certain kind of audience in mind?

No, I just wanted to show, for example, Bobby Fischer’s Game of the Century. I really enjoyed the game and I wanted other people who may not have seen it to enjoy it in a way that I saw it – the way I perceived the game, how I thought about it, and which moment of the game did I think was the most important. That is what I really tried to highlight for my audience. I did not have it in mind that these videos are for people rated 1600 to maybe 2000. It was more like: whoever finds themselves on my video, they are welcome to check it out!

Here’s a small introduction to Agadmator’s Chess Channel. Check out his video on the ‘Game of the Century’ played by the great Bobby Fischer himself!

You mention in one of the previous interviews with Chessbase India that you used to work with your father and then you switched over full time to making videos. How tough was it to make the decision of turning into a full-time YouTuber and that too in a niche field like chess?

It wasn’t all that difficult. When I was still shooting weddings and editing wedding videos, I didn’t upload all that much. Only later on when I got a job as a graphical designer here in a local company that I started doing more YouTube. When I used to come back from work, it used to be around 3 or 5 PM depending on the day. I would also record two videos on those days and this would pretty much consume my entire day. But when my YouTube revenue started exceeding what I made on my day job, it wasn’t really a tough decision to switch to YouTube.

At this point, I had around 25,000 subscribers. Yes, it was still a little bit risky to switch, but I thought that I better just do it!

One thing that really makes me curious is that sometimes, I see you upload a video within minutes of the end of the actual live game. How do you manage to do it? It fascinates me!

If it’s like a rapid game that lasts for maybe 35 – 40 minutes, more often than not I watch the game live, and then, if I am interested in something, I also analyze it while watching it live. So basically, by the time it ends I pretty much know what happened in the game, and then I just record it. I don’t know why people find it so interesting! It’s like the game finished, I was watching it for an hour or so, and I just make a shorter version of it.

One reason why I personally find that interesting is because you are used to seeing people edit their videos…

I never edit my videos. If I had started making YouTube videos without doing some other job, then maybe I would. But this way, I simply did not have time to edit videos. I barely had enough time to record them!

You mentioned in one of the earlier interviews that you try and put out at least one video a day. You also mention that regularity is the key to success on YouTube. But let us say you’re traveling somewhere or you go on a vacation. How do you manage your channel in such cases?

Well, I don’t travel that much (chuckles) and when I do, I either prepare for it or I take my laptop with me. In that case, I often record the videos when I am on the seaside, or on my way to Germany. Even when I was in London, I recorded videos there. So it’s not all that different. It’s surely easier at home when you have your standard setup and your big screens and everything, but otherwise, you make do.

I can relate to this in many ways. Sometimes work just follows us, especially in the field of Chess, doesn’t it!

Yeah, especially if you are in the news business – I wouldn’t really say that I am in the news business but I do sort of deliver news to people on a daily basis. So if something really spectacular happens, I would like to be amongst the firsts to mention that. That isn’t always a priority. But if I can manage it, then I try and do so.

Agadmator’s setup when he was in London for the World Championship
match between Carlsen and Caruana.
(Source: Agadmator’s Instagram)

When you are a prolific YouTuber and when people really love your videos, it is clear that you’re doing something right. In your case, what is it that you think you’re doing right in terms of making the videos? What is your approach and what is your YouTube strategy in general?

Well, that’s one of the most common questions I get, but there’s no easy way to answer that. I think it’s a mixture of everything. My videos are not too long and they’re not too short either. They stretch from maybe 10 minutes to sometimes even up to 20 minutes. For a chess video, I think that’s appropriate. I like to think that people who enjoy chess have at least a little bit of a longer attention span!

I really enjoy making videos. I think people also pick up on the fact that I don’t like to waste people’s time. I don’t have sponsors who I promote. I don’t have the mid-roll ads in any of my videos. And I think those are some of the things that people might enjoy on my channel. It may also have something to do with the choice of games. Overall, it would be interesting to hear about this for me. Maybe I will make a poll or something so that whenever I get that question again, I am ready for it!

People are always curious about what Agadmator means, and you have often emphasized that you will reveal it when you hit 1 million subscribers. Has that always been a backstory for you, or did it just catch up in some way?

Well, I actually did reveal it in my first-ever stream, and the video is still public! But I have about 2000 videos on my channel, so finding the video is not an easy task. But after some time, people just started asking me and then I said, “Nah, I am not gonna reveal it just yet!”

Considering our chess world is pretty large and you have more than 650,000 subscribers now, do you ever get recognized at places or have you ever had any fan encounters as such?

In my home town, people pretty much know who I am. They even knew me before I started doing YouTube since it is a very small town. But when I go to Zagreb, the capital of Croatia, or maybe some other places, more often than not people do recognize me. There is a funny story when I was in London for the World Chess Championship match between Carlsen and Caruana. I had some time to kill so I was sightseeing in the center of London. I went to listen to this guy play violin on the street and I was going to drop him a few Euros. Over there, I encountered Henry and Kevin Tran and I didn’t know who they were. But they said, “Hey, you are Agadmator! Can we take a photo with you?” I was like, “Yeah sure.” In the end, it turned out that they are a comedy channel from France and are a much bigger channel than mine!

But again, I don’t travel that much. If I traveled more, I am pretty sure I would meet more people. But even like this, I do get recognized more often than not.

When Agadmator met Henry & Kevin Tran, men behind
the French Youtube Channel Le Rire Jaune
(Source: Agadmator’s Instagram)

Considering the current COVID times have been great for creating new content, how have things changed for you during this particular period of time?

Well, not that much. But what I think has happened is that a lot more people who were never interested in chess have decided to take up chess. When you are at home and you don’t really have all that much to do and you don’t have all that many hobbies, chess seems like an ideal thing to start. But other than that, it did not affect me in creating content in any negative way.

What is your piece of advice to budding YouTubers, streamers, or anyone related to this field?

What I can definitely say is that you should be consistent and you should make content that you enjoy yourself. Sometimes, of course, you want to make content that attracts the most viewers. But if you are doing that for too long and if you don’t make content which you enjoy yourself, you’re going to be unable to do that for very long. You will either get bored with it, or you will be annoyed by it. Therefore, you have to be true to yourself, you have to be consistent, and you have to try and make the content as high quality as possible. I don’t mean that you need an 8k camera or something like that, but a decent microphone, for example, goes a long way in helping your case.

One of the things that I personally always try and do is to not waste the time of my subscribers. My approach is: here’s the content and whether you like it or not, I will not be wasting your time. Of course, you can throw in a few jokes in between. Some important segments of content are always welcome. But maybe spending five minutes on nothing related to the actual content will lead to people disliking you. Unless that’s what you enjoy, then you should also be true to yourself and do that. There will always be people who enjoy watching you for that!

I don’t think you can really say, “Okay, I’m now gonna make a YouTube channel and I am gonna grow really large.” It all depends on what makes you happy, what you enjoy making, and whether or not a lot of people enjoy what you personally enjoy. If you fake that you enjoy something and then make content on it, people will pick up on that very quickly. 

Going forward, what are your plans – not only for the channel but also for your own self?

For the moment I am pretty busy with the channel and with the preparation for my podcasts. Also, we are about to launch our chess manga, the first chapter of which should be out in June. So when all of that settles and when we are really getting it going, then I will start looking into some other things, maybe even things that have nothing to do with chess. But I might also start improving my own chess, something I have wanted to do for a while, and maybe even play a few open tournaments just for fun. And who knows, maybe I will even try and get a title!

Agadmator recently released his first-ever podcast wherein
Super GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave was his first guest

Blitzkrieg

Favorite YouTube channels – one chess and one non-chess…

For chess, it’s a tough one. I will go with Jozarov’s Chess Channel. For non-chess, it has been a while since I have seen anything. But if I had to name one, I would say it’s 331 ERock. He makes these metal covers for famous songs.

Three chess players of all time whom you would love to invite for dinner…

I would go with Capablanca, Tal and Spassky. I would love to play with Nezhmetdinov, but for dinner, I will be sticking with these three!

When you are not doing something related to chess, you are generally found doing…

Hanging out with Jelena, my girlfriend. We have been together for a very long time now and we are actually planning a house and are in the process of building a house. So that’s pretty time-consuming. But other than that, I watch some movies and TV shows, read a book here and there, play some video games, take Medo (Ed. – Agadmator’s famous dog!) for a walk, visit the family and so on.

Your favourite quote or your motto in life…

I am sure there are a handful of such quotes. But if I had to choose one, it would probably be ‘live and let live’. It is one of my favorites.

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